Who are they?

The Saini is a community of traditional agriculturists and horticulturists distributed across the states of Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Rajasthan, Himachal Pradesh, Delhi, Punjab and the Union Territory of Chandigarh. According to the ethnologist Ibbetson (Punjab Castes: Races, Castes and Tribes of the People of Punjab, 1916), the Saini appears to be a subdivision of the Mali (gardener). In fact the Saini people are also referred to as Mali in many of the regions in which they live.

Origins

The legends regarding the origins of the Saini community vary from state to state. However, they all have in common the claim that they are descendants of the legendary king Maharaja Shoorsain (or Sursain) and hence the name Saini which they retain as their surname. Shoorsain was a Rajput (the second highest warrior class of rulers) so the Saini invariably claim to be Rajput in the traditional, four-fold Hindu caste system.

Languages

The Saini people speak the languages of the states they live in. In Haryana they speak a dialect of Haryanvi with an influence of the Marwari language; in Rajasthan they speak local dialects like Mewati or Braj. They use the Devanagari script to write the above languages.

In Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Chandigarh and Delhi, Punjabi is their first language and the Gurumukhi script is used. They are also conversant in Hindi and some speak Urdu.

What Are Their Lives Like?

The traditional and primary occupation of this people group is crop farming. Animal husbandry also forms a prominent part of their livelihood. In states like Delhi, Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh the Saini people are gardeners. Some are very good at ikebana and flower decoration and make elaborate garlands. The majority owns their own land, except in Haryana where many lease their land for cultivation.

However, with an increase in education, and ever-diminishing landholdings due to population pressures, the Saini people have gradually diversified into trade (especially into grocery items and shops), small-scale manufacturing of plastic and electrical goods as well as salaried jobs in the government and private sectors.

Today there are many professionals among the Saini – some are well known scientists, professors and defense personnel. Nek Chand, creator of the rock garden in Chandigarh is a Saini. They are active in local and regional politics, and political leadership has emerged at the regional and national levels.

The literacy rate is quite high among the Saini. Many Saini children, both girls and boys study to tertiary level. The community has even opened several educational institutions on its own. Modern medicine and family planning measures are now accepted by the Saini, although they make use of indigenous medicines as well. Government development programmes and self-employment schemes have had a significant impact in bettering their lives.

The Saini have embraced every innovation offered in farming techniques, and use a variety of irrigation means, improved seeds, organic manure, chemical fertilizers, insecticides and pesticides to improve their crop yields. They have also seen the benefits of personal savings and loans from banks and cooperatives for development. They also make good use of media and communication, electricity, drinking water and the Public Distribution System (PDS) for essential commodities provided by the government.

Customs

The Saini are endogamous at the community and subgroup level – that is, they only marry within those social boundaries. They do, however, marry between clans and often between villages. In states like Delhi and Haryana they avoid marriages in three gotras, namely, that of their father, mother and paternal grandmother. In Haryana the Saini have two subgroups: the Deshwale and the Bagri, with the former claiming to be the original residents of the area and the latter being migrants, mainly, from Rajasthan and also claiming a higher status. There are eleven important clans among them.

There are two main social divisions among the Saini of Chandigarh based on religion: the Hindu Saini and the Sikh Saini. They are further divided into a number of clans. In Rajasthan the Saini community is comprised of more than fifty clans, while in Himachal Pradesh, where the Hindu and Sikh Saini are the two divisions, there are clans such as Badwal, Chere, Ghugani, Masute, Mehta and Tambar. In Delhi there are various clans, based on territorial and social levels.

Child marriage and marriage by exchange were practiced in earlier times but adult marriage, settled by negotiation, is the norm among the Saini. Monogamy is practiced though polygamy, with the first wife’s consent, is allowed in case she is childless. Dowry is paid in cash and kind. Divorce is rare, but permitted. Widow, widower and divorcee remarriages are socially approved of and junior sororate and junior levirate are practiced.

Among the Saini both nuclear and joint families exist. Inheritance is patrilineal; ancestral property is inherited through the male line only and all the sons get equal shares, with the eldest succeeding to the late father’s authority.

The main duties of Saini women are household chores, but they also help by working on their family farms, animal husbandry, collection of fuel and other menial chores. However, the Bagri Saini women of Haryana are allowed to work as labourers in the fields of other local farms for extra family income. In some regions like Rajasthan they classify the flowers and clean them to make garlands. Educated women work in government and private organizations.

Additionally, the Saini women have specific roles in ritual, religious and social spheres. Generally, only women participate in singing folksongs and dancing for community festivities. They also do wall and floor paintings on certain social and religious occasions. Some women also tattoo their bodies.

The Saini community has its own local, regional and national level assemblies that look after the interests and welfare of the people. The Assemblies also exist to settle family and land disputes, cases of divorce, remarriage and adultery. There is a state level Haryana Saini Sabha located in Chandigarh and a Delhi-Haryana Saini Sabha in Delhi. In Rajasthan similar local community councils are presided over by a hereditary headman known as Patel. They also have a national level organization called located at Delhi which was established in 1920.

The All-India Saini Rajput Mahasabha and the Saini Housing Cooperative Society are headquartered at Delhi. The Saini Rajput Mahasabha was established in 1920. The office bearers of both these bodies are elected by a voice vote. The latter body provides loans to community members for housing construction. Saini Sabhas also exist in Punjab and Uttar Pradesh, while in Chandigarh the Biradari (kin group) system similarly prevails to exert social control and to look after welfare.

What are Their Beliefs?

The majority of the Saini is Hindu and all the major gods and goddesses of Hinduism are worshipped. The remainder is Sikh. There is a belief in evil spirits and good and bad omens, and exorcism.

Like other Hindus the Saini celebrate festivals like Diwali (festival of lamps), Holi (festival of colours), Dussehra (festival celebrating Rama’s killing of the demon king Ravana), Janamashtami (Krishna’s birthday) and Ramanavmi (Rama’s birthday). They especially observe Shoorsain Jayanti (Birthday of king Shoorsain) on 22nd December every year. Ancestor worship is prevalent and each year in the Hindu calendar months of Bhadva-Ashvina (September- October) a feast called shradh is given in the memory of the dead.

They utilize the services of a Brahmin priest to perform their lifecycle rituals.. The dead are cremated and the ashes disposed off in a river, preferably the Ganges at Haridwar. The Sikh Saini reveres their holy scripture, the Guru Granth Sahib, containing the teachings of their ten Gurus. They celebrate all Sikh festivals like Guru Nanak’s birthday, Guru Gobind Singh’s birthday, Baisakhi (a harvest festival) and Lohri. Some have joined sects like the Arya Samaj, Radhasoami and Nirankari.

1. Nick Mangar on February 17, 2011 at 12:17 pm

   Your article contains sevaral errors and leaves out great deal of research about the origin of Sainis which is available in reputed journals. Your biggest mistake is that you have lumped Sainis of Punjab with Mali turned Saini groups of UP , Rajasthan and other states. These later group adopted Saini identity in 1930. Proofs of this are easily available. There is no social intercourse, leave alone intermarriage, between these distinct groups.

   Secondly, Ibbetson was not an ethnologist. He was an civil servant. His work contains several errors and contradictions and is based on unscientific census of 1881. He himself admitted that his work contains several mistakes and was completed in haste in 1883 upon official orders (see his prologue in Punjab Castes) . Read the article by Kevin Hobson on how most of the works left by English bureaucrats are unreliable and contain many deliberate forgeries supplied by hostile and ignorant informants.

   If you interest in dissemination of well researched information, then your presentation has got off course clearly. I recommend you contact SainiIOnline.com discuss these issues with the editors there. You need to correct a lot of inaccuracies in this article even though you appear to be sincere intented.

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2. Nick Mangar on February 17, 2011 at 1:00 pm

   These links will give you some history how many non-Saini groups outside Punjab gradually changed their identity to Saini to gain access to army jobs in British era:

   http://www.sainionline.com/post-1930-appropriation-of-saini-identity-by-mali-caste

   http://www.sainionline.com/official-order-for-renaming-of-malis-as-sainis-in-rajasthan

   Please note that even according to Ibbetson only the Sainis of North Western Provinces (present UP) intermarried with Malis . Sainis of Punjab have no matrimonial or social links with the community that calls itself Saini in western UP. The Sanis of UP are actually called Golle, Bhagirathi, etc and they are culturally, socially and also geographically disctinct from Sainis of Punjab.

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3. avnish kumar saini on February 22, 2011 at 5:06 pm

   i lear more about my cast . saini

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4. Mitesh on May 11, 2011 at 7:29 pm

   This Web Page gives very distorted picture of Saini’s and equated them with malis, which is wrong. Better page is on wikipedia, which gives all the details and history.

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5. sandeep saini on July 29, 2011 at 3:02 am

   mallis started using name saini in 19 th century still in this page the malis are joined with sainis which is the biggest mistake

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   • puneet on June 12, 2013 at 7:00 pm

     mali’s saini are different from sikh saini
     they have no linnk with sikh saini

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6. Abhisek Singh on July 29, 2011 at 6:55 pm

   This is wrong info about Saini peoples. Wikipedia is better than this. 

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7. pamma on October 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm

   Only Punjabi Sainis are denying that Sainis are not also called as Malis/ Baghbans(horticulturists) outside punjab Because casteism has a deep roots in punjabi sikhs and it is critical for Punjabi sainis to represnt them as Farmers and not as hoticulturists, As in simple PUnjabi illage Farmer is jatt/kissan and it gives high status in sikhs.

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8. Deepu Saini on November 4, 2011 at 10:55 pm

   Not only Punjabi Sainis but Haryanvi Sainis also know that Saini and Mali is different caste. I am Haryanvi Saini. Mali are not Sainis. Saini and Mali are totally different caste. The biggest mistake in this article is that it combined the Saini community of Punjab Province (Present day Haryana, Punjab, Himachal and Jammu & Kashmir). Dont trust on the information provided in this article.

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   • Karandeep Singh on November 6, 2015 at 5:21 am

     22 gal sun… Saini common surname tha at the medieval age during mahabharat, just like punjabi, haryanvi, etc. Gotras represent right genelogy among saini’s. Saini are linked to shoorsaini to which they represent a common forefather. Jatt is used later to person repsent as agriculturist. Otherwise status for saini are all same.

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9. Gurdeep Singh Saini on November 4, 2011 at 11:03 pm

   SAINI AND MALI ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT CASTES. MALIS SHOULD VISIT THIS LINKhttp://peoplegroupsindia.is2c.com/profiles/mali ,,,,,,,,,,,,, AND WHOSOEVER IS THE ADMIN OF THIS WEBSITE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE INFO ABOUT SAINI CASTE. SAINIS ARE NOT SUBDIVISION OF MALIS. SAINIS ARE SUBDIVISION OF CHANDRAVANSHI KSHATRIYAS….

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   • baljinder singh saini on July 1, 2012 at 9:57 pm

     This is wrong info about Saini peoples. Wikipedia is better than this.

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     • baljinder singh saini on July 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm

       Only Punjabi Sainis are denying that Sainis are not also called as Malis/ Baghbans(horticulturists) outside punjab Because casteism has a deep roots in punjabi sikhs and it is critical for Punjabi sainis to represnt them as Farmers and not as hoticulturists, As in simple PUnjabi illage Farmer is jatt/kissan and it gives high status in sikhs.

       saini maan punjab de

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   • amit saini on September 26, 2015 at 11:14 pm

     mallis started using name saini in 19 th century still in this page the malis are joined with sainis which is the biggest mistake.They changed their identity to Saini to gain access to army jobs in British era.Mali are not Sainis. This is wrong info about Saini peoples. Wikipedia is better than this.
     This is a request to the admin of this site to kindly read all the comments and then research again and made necessary changes.

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10. kuldeep singh saini on March 10, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    i’m very thankfull to you….i learn much things about my cast thankyou

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    • S. Kuldeep Singh Banwait on July 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm

      please do not mix mali with saini caste. mali is different cast.

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11. Garry Saini on April 27, 2012 at 2:15 am

    According to the census of 1881, 1901 & 1911, Sainis are found only in 4 states and 2 union territories. These 4 states and 2 union territories were known as ‘Punjab Province’ during British Raj.
    4 states- Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab.
    2 Union territories- Chandigarh and Delhi
    (note: names are according to alphabetical order)

    But due to various reasons the members of ‘Mali’ caste started using ‘Saini’ surname during British Raj to gain army jobs because army recruitment policies were strictly on the basis of caste during British Raj. Sainis were declared as a Martial Class by Britishers. Malis people took advantage of this and very cunningly renamed themselves as “Saini” to get jobs in army. But here in this article Mali and Saini are shown as same caste. This should not be. Malis and Sainis have different origin, history and religious beliefs. Historically, the main occupation of Malis is gardening and they have very less lands or they work in the fields of higher castes, but Sainis were historically warriors i.e., Sainis are Rajput descent and is land owning community of Punjab Province. There is no link between Malis and Sainis, both historically and in present.

    I am Saini. I am basically from Haryana. I have listened all these information from the elders of my village and thinks better to share with all of you.

    Thank You

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    • keshav saini on August 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm

      ya u are right sir we were originate from Maharaja sur sen who was a saini and we are from kshetriya community and we are the worriers…….

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12. pritpal singh on June 14, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    saini of harayna and punjab are the real ones rest of are those mali peolpe who started writing saini as surname there is proof for it so people dont read this info is very wrong

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13. baljinder singh saini on July 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    saini maan punjab de

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14. sun saini on August 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    i’m very thankfull to you….i learn much things about my cast thankyou

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    • sun saini on August 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      I PROUD OF INDIA SAINI GROUP

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15. jatinder singh saini on September 25, 2012 at 1:23 am

    doesn’t know anything about saini people .

    Sainis were land owners and sometimes owned the entire villages in distinction from Malis who were invariably always gardners and vegetable cultivators.mali people adopted saini after there name only to get into military and army jobs.
    see more on-

    http://www.sainionline.com/neo-saini-groups/post-1930-appropriation-of-saini-identity-by-mali-caste

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16. GAGAN KALOTY on October 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    PUNJABI SAINI HAS DIFFERENT SURNAME FROM MALI SAINI
    GAGAN KALOTY

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17. Baljeet Singh Saini on February 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Saini cast is very good past

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18. mona on March 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    HI my name is mona and im a Chamar girl my boyfriend is saini we love eacother alot and are going to tell our parents do you think these two castes can get married? please help me

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19. Vikas Saini on March 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Saini are not aware of Real identity of themself.In Rajasthan,U.P.,and other state of INDIA except,PUNJAB,HARYANA,JAMMU,
    Sainis had to adopted Mali occuption for saving their family from Mughal cruelity.That’s the reason they are called MALI there…
    so there are two creeds in Mali
    1-SUDRA
    2-RAJPUTNA
    but I feel sorry when I look SAINIS fighting each other….

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    • binder on September 17, 2013 at 2:01 am

      why sainis are not aware of their real identity ?

      you malis are only 10% literate . you are from backward states like rajasthan, UP,MP etc.Among the 10% literate, they never need to know their own history. Even literate persons from mali community only run fake sites and facebook pages that tells the fake relation between sainis and malis without any proof. Malis have the population more than eight crores. and their huge population is not beneficial for the countery. they only backfoots the country

      SAINIS are 85%+ literate. and found in most literate states called undevided punjab. Even where sainis are mostly find is hoshiarpur , no.1 literate distt. throuthout the punjab. sainis are only less than 0.1 % of indian poulation . what they done for countery everyone know

      sri krishan,shoorsaini (saini king) and other sainis role in mahabharta.
      Save hindus against muslim in punjab during muslim invsions
      In Sisodia Rajput force of Raja Hamir Dev against Turks in 14th Century CE
      In sikh army with guru gobind singh g
      In british army .england won first and second world war due to sikhs (saini sikh).sainis wins many gallnatry awards due to their outstanding performance.
      In indian nation army with sc bose
      In gadar movement
      in babar khalsa international
      in indian army. pakistan lost everytime against india duo to only sikhs(saini + other skihs) in army
      param veer chakra is india’s HIGHEST military award
      ONLY 21 indians have got this out of them 10% are sainis
      In US army and other armies.
      this is only a little information where rajput character is needed to beat the enmy

      sainis are only hindu and sikh.
      become muslim during mugal period====== never, not like other communities who become muslim

      while malis have no contribution in army and other fields. In their fake sites and pages the heros , shows are from saini caste like maharaja shoorsaini, king pourus, sri krishna, jessie saini etc ,not from mali community.
      even malis are banned in britsh army because they are timid and had 3rd class life style

      now you anpad and gnwaar malis tells the sainis that they are not aware of their real history. SAINIS better know because they are more than 85% literate , not like malis who are only less than 10% literate with 8 crore population. malis are only cheaters and use saini surmname to hide their low status. they only fools the people that they and sains are same with fake sites. they only increase weight on india.

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      • saini saab on January 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm

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20. pankaj dahiya on March 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    i totally agree with all of my couligue from punjab and hryana…..that haryna and punjab saini are not mali’s they r the landlord………..mai khud haryna kurukshetra se hu or 48 kile ka malik hu…saini ek jmidar clan h naaki mali……,,………or ye afwah failana bnd kro ki mali or saini ek h…..mai bhot irritate hota hu mali sunke…….plzzz someone has to take a strict action against this………..or ha ek baat plzz ye post itna failao taaki mali log saini clan use krnahi bnd krde

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21. prashant saini on March 18, 2013 at 5:46 am

    the info you’ve provided here is not correct completely.
    aapne saini rajputon ko maali saini’s k saath compare kr diya hai jinhe recognition hi 1930’s mein aa ke mili
    as they claimed themselves to be saini.
    i’m from jammu and my ancestors were from punjab .

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22. shyamkaran on May 15, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    SAINIs ARE CLANS OF LORD KRISHNA. WE HAVE PROUD ON OUR ANCESTROL. IN MAHARASHTRA BABA NANUA WAS FROM SAINI CASTE. NO MORE DAYS ARE LEFT WHEN PEOPLE WILL USE THEIR SURNAME -SAINI. I HAVE PROUD ON MY SAINI CASTE.

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23. Gurbani saini on May 29, 2013 at 2:03 am

    Saini of punjab are royal don’t compare with the mali caste, saini of punjab are real warriors go to check history.

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24. S. Kuldeep Singh Banwait on July 11, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    I belongs to sikh saini from punjab.
    • S. Kuldeep Singh Banwait on July 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm

      there is no difference in jatt sikhs and saini sikhs boths are farmers and living together in punjab
      • harpreet singh on January 21, 2014 at 3:36 am

        i agreed with you that there is no difference bwtween jat sokhs & saini sikhs only the difference created to low down the social status by putting fake things & wrong logics
        very good Mr banwait pl keep it up
25. Chandu on July 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Hi guys above some saying lord krishna is saini but yadavs also claiming krishna as their ancestor is both of u related or different
    • saini on August 21, 2013 at 2:35 am

      yadav and saini is same caste. both are the sons of King Yadu. that’s why both yadavs and sainis are known as yaduvanshi.

      Mali and Saini is different. Sainis are found only in haryana and punjab. i am basically from kaithal district, haryana. I hate mali word.
      • Rakesh Kataria on June 21, 2015 at 7:16 pm

        Malis are very big community found in Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, UP, Andhra, Oriya, and Karnataka. Saini are basically small group found in Punjab and Haryana. Saini claims to be decedents of Mahabharata but historians denied claims of Saini caste. Malis in six district of Rajasthan bordering to Punjab and Haryana are using surname “Saini” rest of 24 district uses Mali or Gotra as Surnam. e.g. Ashok Gehlot former CM of Rajasthan.
        Now fight should be for future of the community not for the past. past of Rajput’s may be glorious but now they are in difficult situation and past of Malis were difficult situation but now due to hard work and dedication situation is changed and Malis are much more forward then Rajput’s in terms of Education and Business. Malis of Rajasthan are now in good position in business, Profession and Jobs. Education level is improved and now 65% of Malis are literate. Malis are now Doctors, Engineers, Chartered Accountants, Advocates, educationist, etc.
        Malis of Rajasthan are not treating Saini of Punjab or Haryana as their competitors. Our real fight is with Jats. Now Jats are afraid of us. We are not interesting in using your Surname. as we are big brothers of you. we are 10 crore in population in India and you are only 20 lacs.
    • truth on September 13, 2013 at 1:05 am

      both yadav and sainis are same. the ancestors of both castes are also same.and belong to yaduvanshi group ( a major group of chandrvanshi lineage) .Even pathania rajputs,some marathas, bhatti rajputs also belongs to same chandravasnhi lineage.

      gwalas and ahirs are also claiming that they are yadavs. ahirs and gwalas also use yadav surname to uplift their status and are fake and nakli yadavs. Gwals are those who taking care of cows. sri krishana was born in a kshtriya (rajput) yaduvanshi family not in a gwala or other family. even many hindus does not know it. he only played with gwalas in his childhood and it does not mean he belongs to gwala or ahir caste.
      yadav caste loose their origionality due to these ahirs and gwalas in some states.

      same is for sainis
      in history , during mughal period, in rajasthan some mandorva rajputs become malis to avoid conversion to islam. During british rule in 1930 these mandorva rajputs who become malis
      during mughal period used saini surname to uplift their low status and to get jobs in british army. because it is due to sikhs (sainis+ jatts+kambojs+other sikh castes) england won the first world war.all the gallantry awards were won by sikhs. sainis of punjab wins many gallantry awardsduo to their outstanding performance in world war one. already british officers registered saini caste as martial racer(brave and made for fighting).
      during british rule rajput malis / malis were banned to get jobs in british army because they are timid and had third class life style. thgey only got job if they use saini surname instead of mali surnme.
      firstly this is done by rajputs malis of rajasthan. even sainis were found and find only in undevided punjab and no relation with these rajput malis. after that every mali from UP , MP,RAJASTHAN who were generally gardners start saini surname to uplift their status and got jobs. you can see jodhpur state archieves.
      any saini find in rajasthan , up, mp, maharastra are nakli and fake saini. in other words they are malis not sainis because according to census during british rule thery found only in undevided punjab thickly populated in doaba region. according to origion sainis are rajputs and malis are gardners.
      in mahabharta sri krishana is mentioned as shoorsaini (short term saini) by veda vyasa not a mali/rajput mali
      Scientifically , ABO blood group of sainis are matched with hill rajputs .Not with malis/ rajput malis of Rajasthan, UP, MP, maharastra who claims that they are sainis.
      In history no proof exists that sainis found outside punjab and relates with mali/rajput malis

      these malis only cheats india and people that they are a part of sainis and fools their generations.they only use saini surname to hide their low status.

      now answer me some simle questions
      are marathas find in punjab
      are jadeja rajputs find in jammu and himachal
      are dogra rajputs find in maharastra
      are bhatti rajputs find in gujrat

      if the correct answer is no. then how saini rajputs are find in UP , MP,and RAJASTHAN.
      every body knows saini rajputs are find only in undevided punjab. besides this all sainis find in UP , MP,RAJASTHAN, maharastra are nakli and fake sainis in reality they are malis not sainis
26. saini on July 18, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    it is utter nonsense to say that sainis in particular from punjab and haryaha are malis. nothing else to say
27. SAM on September 2, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    I born in saini caste in Karnal Haryana. However i am completely against of caste system coz it is the biggest cause of our nation’s poverty and backwardness. I have visited in Punjab and Rajasthan also. The truth about saini caste is here:- The culture of saini from punjab and the part of haryana attached with punjab is same. They have equal economical prospective also. Punjabi saini’s are more rich than haryanvi saini’s. Many villages are owned by saini people alone and i never saw any saini person specially women to do labour in the fields of people of other caste. In my village, saini people who are poor and have no land do labour works, but they always do labours in the field of saini people only. One thing i noted specially that saini people, if they are poor never loose their ego.
    The people in Rajasthan, U.P. who put sirname saini, also claimed that they are saini and they openly acclaimed that they are different than saini”s.
    • saini saab on April 26, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      mne b apni lyf me koi greeb saini ni dekha.. har kisi k pas jmeen jrur hoti h.. mre pas b 55 kile jmeen h.. or brother hmari clss me top 3 richest boys b saini h or uske pas factories 80-90 kile h
28. Pamma saini on September 3, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Oye lode,
    Pehle pata kar la saini’s ke bare me achi tarah se.
    Bhenchod saini or mali same hai kya. Tere baap hai saini samjha bhosdike.
    Tere poore khandan ne itni mehnat ni ki hogi jitni ik saini akela kar sakta hai.
    Bhosdike pata nahi kaha kaha se aa jaate hai apna gyan chodne…
    Besharam abhi tak pad raha hoga apna bejti. Mujhe pata hai lallu kuch na kuch
    To zarur likhega tu, apni cast bhi likna bhosdike.

    Chal ok
    Take care byeee….
    • putt saini Da on April 26, 2015 at 8:22 pm

      sahi bat h saini saab
29. punjabi rajput on September 6, 2013 at 3:00 am

    I WARNED SAINIS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN CANADA, USA ITALY, UK,INDIA(found in mainly PUNJAB, HARYANA , HAIMACHAL, JAMMMU only ) THAT THESE MALIS ARE FORCELY CONNECTED WITH US. THEY USE OUR SURNAME SAINI TO HIDE THEIR LOW STATUS

    I do not read books which was written by slave poets of govt. even i know sainis are not malis. and the term Shoor saini is as old as the history of India.
    DEFINATION

    Etymologically the Hindi word “SHOOR” means Displayer of gallantry and SAINI is generic name for the ruling dynasty that ruled Northern India from Mathure to Patiala. Their rule and governance has been so benevolent that the area they ruled directly came to be known as “Shoorsaini Pradesh” and the language they spoke was known as “Shoorsaini. it simply means sains are KSHATRIYA rajput
    ( Kshatriya >= rajputs )

    AND The word Mali is derived from the Sanskrit mala, meaning garland. this defination of mali is also gives in this own sitehttp://peoplegroupsindia.areapedia.com/profiles/mali

    now according to the defination tell me what is the relation of saini rajput caste with vasya caste malli.

    References to Sainis in Mahabharata

    Mahabharata, Book 13, Chapter 147

    Lord Krishna mentioned as a Shoorsaini by Veda Vyasa

    “Foremost among all the Shoorsainis, the puissant one, Krishna, residing at Dwaraka, will rule and protect the whole earth after vanquishing all her lords, conversant as he will be with the science of polity. ”

    Mahabharata, Book 2, Chapter 14

    Shoorsainis flee toward West (Modern Punjab and Afghanistan) from Mathura due to attack of Jarasandha

    “The eighteen tribes of the Bhojas, from fear of Jarasandha, have all fled towards the west; so also have the Shoorsainis, the Bhadrakas, the Vodhas, the Salwas, the Patachchavas, the Susthalas, the Mukuttas, and the Kulindas, along with the Kuntis. And the king of the Salwayana tribe with their brethren and followers; and the southern Panchalas and the eastern Kosalas have all fled to the country of the Kuntis. So also the Matsyas and the Sannyastapadas, overcome with fear, leaving their dominions in the north, have fled into the southern country. And so all the Panchalas, alarmed at the power of Jarasandha, have left their own kingdom and fled in all directions.”

    Mahabharata, Book 5, Chapter 54

    Shoorsainis change allegiance to Pandavas

    “The Matsyas, the Panchalas, the Salways and the Shoorsainis, all decline to pay thee homage now and all disregard Dhritarashtra. All of them have joined the Pandavas.”

    Mahabharata, Book 1, Chapter 110
    Kunti (Pandavas’ Mother), mentioned as the daughter of Maharaja Shoorsen, the found of Saini clan

    “There are three maidens worthy of being allied to Kuru race. One is the daughter (Kunti) of Shoorsen, of the Yaduvanshi race; the other is the daughter (Gandhari) of Suvala; and the third is the princess (Madri) of Madra.”

    Mahabharata, Book 5, Chapter 90

    “The daughter of king Shoorsen, thou (Kunti) art, by marriage, admitted into Ajamida’s race (The race of Kurus).”

    Mahabharata Book 6, Chapter 9

    Surasena Kingdom, named after Maharaja Shoorsen, mentioned as one of the kingdoms of ancient India

    “They are the Kuru-Panchalas, the Salwas, the Madreyas, the Jangalas, the Surasena, the Kalingas, the Vodhas, the Malas, the Matsyas, the Sauvalyas, the Kuntalas, the Kasi-kosalas, the Chedis, the Karushas, the Bhojas, the Sindhus….”

    Mahabharata, Book 8, Chapter 47

    Shoorsainis on the side of the Pandavas

    “Kripa and Kritavarma, and Sakuni accompanied by troops fought with the Kosalas, the Kasis, the Matsyas, the Karusas, the Kaikayas, and the Shoorsainis. ”

    Mahabharata, Book 8, Chapter 45

    Karana extolling the piety of Shoorsainis

    “The Pancalas observe the duties enjoined in the Vedas; the Kauravas observe truth; the Matsyas and the Shoorsainis perform sacrifices, the Easterners follow the practices of the Sudras; the Southerners are fallen; the Vahikas are thieves; the Saurashtras are bastards.”

    AND MANY MORE CHAPTERS (I EXPLAIN FEW )

    AND NOW

    read chpter 13 of mahabharata,
    1. Lord Krishna mentioned as a Shoorsaini by Veda Vyasa .and sainis are the descendants of SRI KRISHNA.,

    2. Sri KRISHNA is a yaduvanshi ( a branch of chandravansh lineage ) king. and sainis are yaduvanshi kshtriyas.

    3. no existance and realtion of sainis with malis in mahabharta
    .

    NOW STORY OF MALI CASTE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS SAINI

    what is martial racing

    Martial race was a designation created by Army officials of British India after the Indian Rebellion of 1857, where they classified each caste into one of two categories, ‘martial’ and ‘non-martial’. The ostensible reason was that a ‘martial race’ was typically brave and well-built for fighting, while the ‘non-martial races’ were those whom the British believed to be unfit for battle because of their sedentary lifestyles.

    British-declared ‘martial races’ in the Indian Subcontinent
    Ahirs [17]
    Awans[18]
    Bhumihar Brahmin (excluded later after rebellions)
    Bunts
    Dhangars (Hatkar)[19]
    Dhund Abbasis
    Khatris
    Dogra[20]
    Gakhars
    Garhwalis
    Ghumman
    Gujjar[20]
    Gurkhas[22]
    Janjua[20]
    Jats
    Kamboj/Kamboh.
    Khokhar
    Kodava (Coorgs)
    Kumaoni/Kumaunis
    Mahars
    Marathas
    Mohyals
    Nairs (removed after rebelling)
    Pashtuns
    Parashar (excluded later after rebellions)
    Qaimkhanis
    Rors
    Reddys
    Rajputs
    Sainis ————————————————————————- read ——————————
    Sikh
    Sudha
    Tanolis
    Tarkhans
    Yadavas

    IN british army sikhs were preferd over hindus .
    NOW SAINIS come under martial racing because they are brave and built for fighting . also they are maily sikhs .so sainis can easily get jobs in british army
    also england won the first world war . sainis got many awards from british army due to their outstanding performance in world war one . Now saini people are their first choice for army job.

    Malis were banned to get job in british army because they are not made ofr fighting like other castes. mali caste were not under martial racing . they cannot get jobs because they are malis. they only uplift their status and get jobs if they use saini surname instead of mali.

    In 1937, the ruler of the princely state of Jodhpur granted the request of the Mali community of Rajputana to be recorded as “Saini” or “Sainik Kshatriya” in official records.

    you can see jodhdhpur state archieves

    “At the time of 1941 Census most of malis got registered themselves as Saini (Sainik Kshatriya) Malis.”

    -Census of India, 1961, Volume 14, Issue 5, pp 7, Office of the Registrar General, India.

    Mali caste, in southern districts of Haryana and beyond in the states of UP, MP, and Rajasthan, also started using the surname “Saini” in 20th century since 1930-40 .

    for what all this ., only to get jobs in british military. and thIS all was done in british rule which already destroys our culture.

    now answer a simple question -can malis of rajasthan, up,mp take permission of saini community of undevided punjab whether you uses saini ‘s surname or not
    and i know the answer –no because you are thiefs

    same is done by gwalas . they use surname yadav to uplift their status. and everybody knows that gwalas are not yadavs.
    =======================================================================

    NOW SOME PEOPLE EVEN MALIS SAYS THAT THEY BECOMES MALIS DURING MUGHAL PERIOD TO AVIOD COVERSION – a false story

    1. first of all if you someone become mali during mughal period, that is your history and , what is your relations with sainis today in punjab
    2. during mughal period rajputs devided into groups are –

    pathania rajput group(100% same history and gotras as sainis ) — ran to hills to escape themselves
    saini rajput group —- start agriculture profession and become landownes in mainly doaba region of punjab
    dogra group (many gotras are same) and other many groups
    MANY CONVERTED INTO MUSLIMS like bhatti rajputs of lahore

    3. if any group becomes mali during that period , how they relate with sainis only. not with marathas , jadeja rajput, bhatti rajputs, minhas, lodhi rajput, pathania rajput.,

    i can clear this . because sainis are sikh , punjabi , and rajputs . in british military sikhs were prefered over hindus for get jobs. sainis also come under martial racing . that is the reason mali use saini surname to uplift rheir status.

    4. no proof that mali and rajput have saame ABO blood STRUCTURE. if have any fake proof eith which rajput and what are their gotras
    ===========================================================================

    CENSUS IN BRITISH RULE =================================================

    SAINIS FOUND ONLY IN PUNJAB AND BORDER DISTT. OF HARYANA , HIMACHAL AND JAMMU WITH PUNJAB , TODAY IN DELHI AND CHANDIGARH
    SAINIS DOES NO FOUND IN MP , RAJASTHAN, UP

    PROOF NO 1

    The Marwar State Census Report of 1891 A.D. also did not contain reference to any community called ‘Saini’ in Rajputana and recorded only two groups as Malis, namely, Mahoor Malis and Rajput Malis, among which the latter are also included in Rajput sub-category. Rajput Malis changed their identity to Saini in 1930 but in the later censuses other non-Rajput Malis such as Mahur or Maur , who ostensibly had no lineal link with Rajputs, also adopted ‘Saini’ as their last name. The way they sought to piggyback their way into the Saini identity was by seeking to project it as an abbreviated form of “Sainik” or “soldier” rather than linking it with properly historically grounded term “Shoorsaini” , a link which would have been impossible to prove. In this reference a review of the following order issued by Jodhpur state in 1937 is quite instructive:

    ORDER

    Jodhpur, the 6th February, 1937.
    No. 2240

    Subject- Recording of Malis as “Sainik Kshatriyas” in Pattas and Development Department records. Reference- P.W.D. Minister’s No. 431 Dated 22nd October, 1936
    His Highness has stated his personal view that he has no objection to Malis being recorded as “Sainik Kshatriyas” in the pattas of the Development records.
    Mehakmas D.M. Field LT. Col. CIE. Jodhpur.
    Chief Minister.
    January 23, 1937.
    Government of Jodhpur.

    PROOF NO2.
    Denzil Ibbetson REPORT

    Sainis were land owners and sometimes owned the entire villages in distinction from Malis who were invariably always gardners and vegetable cultivators.
    Sainis are Rajput descent from Mathura (capital of historical Shoorsaini kingdom)
    Sainis were not found outside Punjab.

    PROOF NO3.
    Jogendra Nath Bhattachary

    Another work of 19th century by Jogendra Nath Bhattachary also treated Saini group to be completely distinct from Malis. In his work titlled “Hindu castes and sects”, published in 1896, he refers to Sainis on pp 285 as a distinct agricultural group with a population of about 125000 and restricted to Punjab. He mentions Malis in a separate category and makes no attempt to link both communities. Bhattachary’s work, unlike Ibbetson’s, is considered academic grade and is regarded as first ever serious attempt at anthropology in colonial India.

    PROOF NO
    4.E.A.H Blunt

    E.A.H. Blunt who produced a seminal work on caste system of Northern India also placed Sainis as a group completely distinct from Malis, Baghbans, Kacchis and Muraos. He enlisted Sainis a landholding group while describing the latter groups as having mainly gardening, flower and vegetable cultivation as their major occupations. The strength of Blunt’s work lies in the fact that he had the advantage of looking at the work of all the prior colonial writers like Ibbetson, Risley, Hunter, etc and revising their inconsistencies.

    THIS ALL PROVES THAT SAINIS HAVE NO RELATION WITH MALIS

    while i give everthing clear and also give proofs that mali / rajput mali are not sainis
    now tell me any wise person what is the the relation of true history with politics

    now why i disturb sainis all over the india . because i know sainis afe only in punjab not all over the india. . thicklly populated in doaba region. some population is in haryana , jammu and haimachal, chandigarh and delhi.

    alsmost all sub clans(gotras ) of sainis are matches with hill, pathania rajputs like banwait ,banga,salaria, dhamrait , budwal, mundra ( i explain few )
    many gotras of sainis are matches with marathas, jadeja rajputs,thakurs ,dogras like kohar,lada,salaria, pabla, bande, masuta and many more(i explain few )

    this is because the ancestors of sainis ,pathania rajputs, marathas ,jadeaja rajputs ,bhati rajputs are same.
    while sainis have no relation , no identical history , no same sub clans (gotras ) which are matched with malis. no evidence in history proves that chandravanshi rajputs from punjab gone to rajasthan and for what purpose . while 1000 years ago some rajputs came to punjab from mathura to save hindus from muslim attackers called sainis.

    many fake facebook pages and many fake sites gives false information about sainis that malis
    are a part of sainis are operated and controlled by malis not by sainis.

    I AGAIN WARNED SAINIS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN CANADA, USA ITALY, UK,INDIA( PUNJAB, HARYANA , HAIMACHAL, JAMMMU ) THAT THESE MALIS ARE FORCELY CONNECTED WITH US. THEY USES OUR SURNAME TO HIDE THEIR LOW STATUS
    • Shivam Saini from Meerut on February 25, 2015 at 5:22 am

      Bhosdike aur Meerut ke saini me ma chod dete h samjha
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31. APY on January 3, 2014 at 3:20 am

    What sort of relation the sainis would like to have yadavas of south india
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    • Shivam Saini from Meerut on February 25, 2015 at 5:28 am

      Teri ma ka bhosda sale meerut me aa phir batate h saini kon h
      • Lord Saini on March 5, 2015 at 8:23 am

        Meerut mein aane ki inki aukat nahi hai….ye bas wahi uchal skte hien gandu saale…
      • Ankit saini on April 26, 2015 at 8:04 pm

        or sun.. tu jisko gaali de rha h na vo b ek saini h.. or vo bnda sainiyo ki besti ni kr rha. apni biraadari walo ki ijjat rkhna sikh tu
    • Ankit saini on April 26, 2015 at 8:01 pm

      bat to shi h bhai teri pr bhai hmari cast k log UP me b h.. overall maharaja shoorsen (shoorsaini) was the founder of MATHURA..
33. Anuj Saini on August 10, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    I want to Clear every buddy. Saini is not a cast.this is a geographical name. Like Those People Living In Punjab Called Punjabi.so Those People Lived In soorsaini Mahajanpad Called Soorsaini .And After Some Time ITS Remain Only Saini.
    Saini People You will find In ..
    Jatt,Jaat……… Mali Jatt( Malhi)Abul Mali brother in lows of Mugal King Akber.in multan mali jatt has very strong hold. sinsinwar Jaat are gwala Saini.you can see the symbol of Bharat pur Riyasat.If you wants Proof send Me Your Mail id I will send You Proof.i got from Jaat Itihaas And Yadav itihaas.

    two or three Type Mali also in india society. Like a Janpad In Mahabrat Period name MALLA.This Is also A geographic Name.Those people Lived Inmalla called Mali. thes e People Are not Saini.
    in South Like Maharastra Mali Means Those people involve In Flower Farming These are also not saini.
    And this Is Also true Some Mali those are Not Saini written Saini.
    but its True mali are the part of Saini. my friend ingurgaon JHARSA village is a mali saini.in this village saini has very good position comparatively jaat.

    Rajput ,, Bhati RAjput are saini thay claimed its .

    Bhati Name come from soorsaini king Bhuti (the grand son of satyaki.) (satyaki was the grand son of maharaji soorsainis brother)

    Bhati Gurjar Are Saini .. they claimed its.

    Jadeja Are saini They Claimed its.

    history is full of natural disaster escape brutal fight. its change the work profile .work profile decide you cast .

    bengali people Become sehrawat Jaat.
    Chole (south indien) Become jaat.
    As saini Become JAAT GURJAR & RAJPUT.

    Now I am a saini . but before 5000 year ago .i (my People) were only nomads Aryans after That they Become Yadav Becouse they were Living in the kingdom of king Yadu. .and After Some Time They become Gwala according to his work profile.and after some Time they Become saini .Becouse they were living in soorsaini kingdom.

    Some Soorsainis Are suryavansi Like Bhagrati saini they are decendent of King Bhagrati & Raja SAGAR.Mathura Founded By KING Soorsaini (The Grand son of Satrughan , Lodr RAMA s Brother)
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37. Nakul on February 7, 2015 at 5:31 am

    You are wrong!! contact my family for further clarification on the Saini Community and you will know who exactly we are or even check Wikipedia!!
38. Anuj Saini on February 12, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    hi 
    shoorsaini i have new information to you .i have mate yesterday to swami sudanand yogi(who written the history of yadav). alwar. Rajastaan . he told me the Afganistan air line (1973) name aryana airline. he go to afganistan a place called nuristan apporax 10000 peoples of nuristaan they are not muslims. they are kamboj saini.
    nobody talk about kamboj saini. near karnal& saharanpur & ganga ka khadar they have apporx 240 villages.they are gwala saini.those gwala saini (yadav) lived in Kamboj mahajanpada called kamboj Saini.
    IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTION I WILL SHOW HIM THESE ALL IN THE HISTORY OF YADAV
    TALK SOME ABOUT SSASAINI KINGDOM OF IRAN. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALSO SOORSAINI YADAV.
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39. md surya prakash on April 8, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    karnataka they called as thigala kshatriya .who ruled major part of south India , pallava,chola,chalukya,pandya ,chera, hoysala.it is all so raputs clan .
40. shivam saini on April 17, 2015 at 12:52 am

    up ke saini b saini hai yaro. aisa nai hai ki up me saini nai rahte yaha bas maali rahte hai. yaha bhi saini rahte hai. family reason ki vajah se haryana se yaha aakar meri family rahne lagi. or ha keval hum hi nai mere yaha pe jyadatar saini landlord hi hai.so please change your mentelity ki up ke saini saini nai hai. are ab agar ye kah rahe ho to fir tum kahne lagoge ki canada ke saini bhi saini nai hai.maali cast alag hai .but punjab or haryana ke alava other state me bhi saini rah skte . up ke sainis ko badnaaam na kare
    • vivek saini on May 13, 2015 at 9:41 pm

      yes u r wright shivam
41. Mr. Saini from haryana on April 26, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    maharaja shoorsain was a saini.. hm vhi h jinhe shoorveer kha jata h.. rajput cast hmari hi subcast h.. kbi tum king porus k bare me pdh kr dekhna vo b ek saini tha or usne alexandra ko hraya tha bt sunne me ye aata h ki king Porus haar gya tha lkin aisa nhi h usne alexandra ko baksh diya tha or alexandra ki army ne apne desh me ye kha tha ki unhone king Porus ko hraa diya h.. ye jhoot unhone isliye kha taaki alexandra ki besti na ho.. i am proud to be a saini.
42. Shobhit on May 6, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    After reading i have all details about my friends he is also a saini
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